They sent their kids to Bob Jones and Pensacola the only choices permitted to them. The beliefs are mainly Baptist and fundamentalist. I went with you to Fundamentalist and Fresh Oil conferences, Pastors' School, Missions, and Youth Conferences. I spent thousands and thousands of hours reading and studying the Bible. I was rejected by two independent fundamentalist Baptist congregations in two different states, but I stand in their defense. If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. He alone is allowed to change his mind. Another rule for students was that thou shalt not attend the roller skating rink upon threat of expulsion. I preached over 4,000 sermons. Though not all in the movement look the same, the Duggars showcase several theological and cultural distinctives common among independent fundamental Baptists: adhering to strict biblical inerrancy, usually based exclusively on the King James Version (KJV); homeschooling; abstaining from pop culture as entertainment; and dressing modestly. A 2016 report on the university's handling of sexual assault found a "fundamental failure by Baylor to implement Title IX." The report noted "that Baylor's efforts to implement Title IX were. In 1638, he founded the first Baptist church in America in uncolonized Rhode Island. New IFB Beliefs. 6.) Apr 26, 2017. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. The biggest difference would be in the way they practice separation. A god who condemns people to an eternal hell for evil committed during a human lifespan isnt worthy of worship. You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. Aug 10, 2008. You served them that way. Ugh. The writings that I've read from former IFBs are some of the strongest testimonies to the strength and decency of the human spirit I've ever come across. Human life begins at conception. He did not respond to specific questions that were sent to him. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! NIFB Is A Cult | The NIFB Will Not Be Tolerated. I've been looking for a church that does baptisms and a church up the road does them. Im sure that if your God is all about love and grace he will know our hearts better than you and will fully understand in his 3-omni way. Feel free to add your own additions to the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rule Book. They preferred to remain ignorant of evidence suggesting that something in the air around the plant was giving them cancer. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. It was an independent church, and it was fundamentalist, and Baptist, but it was not an IFB independent fundamentalist Baptist church. All of the above were part of the unwritten code at my Fundy church 40 years ago. . Let us always bear in mind that the IFB no more represents Christianity than the Taliban represents Islam. I pastored Evangelical churches IFB, Southern Baptist, Christian Union, Sovereign Grace, and non-denominational for 25 years. Thousands have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because one man followed in obedience where the Lord led. I am far from perfect. But I find it believable (which is not to say that I believe it, if you appreciate the distinction). I would add that all church communities are at risk of condemning the victims for the sake of maintaining the community, and the illusion that all is well. One of the hardest life lessons I ever had to learn is that in the main, people prefer to be deceived. Landover, MD 20785. The modern fundie bible is full of contradictions and lies. Thou shalt not speak in Sunday morning service if thou be a woman, unless you are the soloist and you want to give thanks and praise to Jesus for the wonderful song. More: Nevertheless, [Bishop] Andonios [Chancellor of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese] said he decided to reinstate [Father Gerasimos] Makris because parishioners demanded it. They insisted upon that ignoble facade despite the too-clear harm it was causing. Thanks! This list sounds alot like the Mennonite Church rule book. INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTISTS FAR TOO MANY OF THEM RUN WITH DEVILS . Sarah Smith and the other reporters and editors who worked on this deserve great credit and gratitude. It upheld what it believed to be. Please read the commenting rules before commenting. Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Fea wrote, following the Star-Telegrams report. All articles free to share and God bless! Enforcing King James only-ism down the throats in some of their groups. This is the Christianity of millions of North Americans. This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. Generally speaking (and this differs greatly from church to church) Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists tend to have about the same doctrinal stance. A minority of Baptists contend that Baptist churches originated in the first century, deducing their claim from the fact that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. Become a member and enjoy the very best from The American Conservative in print & digital. I cant for the life of me understand why, disgruntled as you are, you would go out of your way to take a personal hand in someones trip to eternal punishment. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. The church I grew up in dwelt somewhere in that space. Unless you are a college student on a bus route. So there is some good to the IFB movement. It wasnt long before I traveled the road to liberal Christian to agnostic atheist. It was beyond comprehension in my little brain back then. Jesus gives his own list in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 24/25. The Problem Among Independent Baptists with the Gospel By TylerR Jan 25 2016 We've got to get more serious about the gospel, what it is and what we say that it is or what we will allow to be called the gospel. The video posted on the church website ends. And may you recognize your error while there is still time. Thou shalt leave tracts in various and sundry places: the aisles of Walmart, in library books, at the doctors office, so that all may know the Good News of the Gospel. Truly horrifying. If I do Ill comment on this comment with details. Thou shalt not drive a nice car for that is vanity and takes money from the missionaries who need airplanes and new tin roofs, and food out of the fat visiting evangelists bellies (unless your the man of god, then you can drive a Suburban or a $95k brand new F350). Later that afternoon, thou shalt go to work. There are a lot more where these came from, lmao . It was they who lied -- first to themselves, and then to you. You cant question your leaders, Hardy said. You know that I am Independent. That space between he describes as the world of Jerry Falwell has grown over the years. You have found True Christianity. This means that there are approximately 7.85 million IFBs in America today. Because today the media's primary food source is outrageousness, the IFB receives an inordinate amount of media attention. Some of them are becoming social halls instead of true worship centers. But these folks were seen as a little bit too much by most of the people in the church, whose kids got to choose places like Philadelphia College of the Bible or Northeastern Bible College. Pray tell, Kathy, what are you going to tell me about the Bible that I dont already know? Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors. I would not have returned a clergyman to his former parish after what transpired but out of pastoral sensitivity to the desires of the overwhelming numbers of parishioners who sought his return, he said. Educating children at home or in IFB K-12 schools is necessary in order to protect them from the knowledge and ways of a fallen and corrupt world. The number of articles in the multi-part series exceeds the number of free articles non-subscribers are permitted to read each month. If they really loved God they would have loved you and everyone else in a manner befitting that love: properly, carefully, consistently. Baptism therefore represents the Gospel, which consists of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. It is a Bible Baptist church. But what of the grouch who would rather complain than sleep? She then administers [to a three-year-old] about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. If your neighbor saw you leaving the Cinemaplex, he wouldnt know what movie you had watched, leading him to have questions about your faith. *, At Christianity Today, Kate Shellnut offers a short, helpful summary of the Star-Telegrams horrifying findings, along with some reporting on how the independent fundamentalist Baptist community is responding to its revelations (not well). The fundamentals first, then warp the bible to fit the fundamentals, and all gods people said.amen. Students may be expelled at any time, for any reason, if the president of the school deems the reason sufficient (my 2nd grade brother was expelled for defiance). Tags: Independent Fundamental Baptist The Gospel Kent Brandenburg's Assessment of Independent Baptists By Jim Apr 29 2015 A one-foot ruler, or its equivalent in a paddle, is a sufficient alternative. You have left them now to themselves, and stepped into your own world. Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. This past summer, amid new stories of Catholic sex abuse, the Evangelical magazine Worldcautioned its readers not to make the mistake of thinking that it cannot and does not happen in Protestant churches. The website, New IFB Singles, is a ministry of Veracity Baptist Church and is lead by New . If you'd like to see the rest of this post (the whole of which was too large to post here), thank you and it's here. You could look into resolutions by Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International or World Congress of . Look at centralized Catholicisms opportunity to shuffle priests from one parish to another, few questions asked. They used you as fodder in the war between themselves and everything they fear. Thou can sleep at 11 on Monday night; everyone knows sleep is for fags & queers, not real men. All of us, Christians and atheists alike, have lists of rules by which we govern our lives, and often judge the lives of others. The pastor, Jack Trieber, dressed in a yellow tie and matching pocket square, reached into his pocket to put on his glasses before reading a statement that allegations of inappropriate conduct had been made against Giovanelli. I vaguely recognize some of the standards that you mentioned, but not to the extreme that you have described them. If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. According to the Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life, there are. Unlike the Catholic Church, the fundamental Baptist church considers itself to be made up of independent entities. For the larger child, a belt or larger tree branch is effective. The Baptist church started in the 17th century in America. So I messaged and they do baptisms. Trieber took his glasses off. Thou shalt hide this alcohol so the pastor doesnt see it when he visits you because you missed Sunday school due to a hangover. Advent Calendar Day 17: Fair and foul are near of kin, TRENDING AT PATHEOS Progressive Christian, Independent Fundamentalist Baptists are a creepy, creepy bunch. Much of what we think of as the religious right would fall into that murky space in between old-school fundamentalism and the mainstream evangelicalism of Billy Graham et. They kept what they needed. Get tough. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. He will very quickly come to know that any time he is laid down there is no alternative but to stay put. Please be advised that this rulebook is subject to change at the whim of the pastor. , I was brought up in evangelical churches which clung to much of this dogma. Dr. R has some real practical theology problems. I was never attacked by them, and to the best of my knowledge neither were my siblings. God's Grace bible study podcast is a Independent Fundamental Baptist pobcast we use the KJV 1611 only. But evangelicals should recognize that clerical sex abuse is widespread, and some evangelical and fundamentalist churches do cover up problems and pass them on to others. Its not a good thing.. It was they who didn't truly commit to the truths upon which they claimed to be basing their lives. A case in which an adult woman publicly accused a prominent pastor of having manipulated her at age 16 into giving him oral sex and having an adulterous relationship: When Giovanelli resigned from Golden State Baptist College after the abuse allegation went viral, the chancellor of the college and the pastor of its affiliated church asked the congregation to pray for the church, the college, and the Giovanelli family. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . No other part of the anatomy (e.g. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. * This paywall nonsense is unnecessary, counter-productive, and really disrespectful of the papers investigative team. The primary function of a woman is to have children, who then become her mission field. It really is that simple. I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! Refusing to cooperate with other members in the Church. Amendment though shalt say amen during service but only if you are male. Thus the words "Independent" and "Fundamental . This bit from John Fea is particularly helpful: While neo-evangelicals read periodicals likeChristianity Today, fundamentalist Baptists read John R. RicesThe Sword of the Lord. 3. What the fuck is YOUR problem?? Im thinking right now of a case from the early 1990s in which a small-town Louisiana pharmacist who noticed that she was handling an extraordinary number of prescriptions for a rare cancer drug, and spoke out. Those who opposed the Great Whore of Revelation before the rise of the Reformers were again you guessed it; BAPTIST CHRISTIANS who came before the Protestant Christians ever came to existence and I am proud of my Baptist heritage. Reached by phone, Giovanelli said he had no comment and hung up. Zichterman recounts seeing an interview on television featuring Carolyn Jessop and realizing, for the first time, that the IFB was a cult. You showed up, ready to play. You love passionately, deeply and inexorably. Oh my. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches believe that the authority to baptize was given to the first church, organized by our Savior. You have all the information you need to attack me for making this statement, but I assure you that there is very little left to attack. #1. The problem was that the faculty was in charge of hiring new faculty. And if they failed to treat that greatest of gifts with the sacrosanct respect it deserves, then shame on them. There is no appreciable moral distinction between homosexuality and bestiality, incest, child molestation or rape. You were right; they were wrong; and no sane person in the world would say otherwise. Rod Dreher is a senior editor atThe American Conservative. If the crying turns to a true, wounded, submissive whimper, you have conquered; he has submitted his will. Twice in the New Testament, Paul gives long lists of human behaviors that preclude people from inheriting the kingdom of God. They might as well be Mormons.Sense they add their own rules and Bible.They are acting as a cult its not biblical.Gal1:8 They are teaching false teachings,And not the doctrines of the Bible.They are Just adding their own rules. 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Dont Dress Like a Whore if You Dont Want to Get Sexually Assaulted Says Lori Alexander, Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager, Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman, Thou shalt obey your parents at all times, Thou shalt obey the police and government unless the pastor says it is a sin against God to do so, Thou shalt give a faith promise missionary offering, Thou give an offering any time the pastor says God is saying to collect a special offering, Thou shalt attend church every time the doors are open, Thou shalt pray for every meal, but ice cream at Dairy Queen after church requires no prayer, Thou shalt only use the King James Bible 1611 edition which is really the 1769 revision, Thou shalt only use the Scofield King James Bible, Thou shalt not have long hair (over your ears, collar) if you are a man, Thou shalt not have a block cut hairstyle if you are a man, Thou shalt not have facial hair if you are a man, but if you are a woman you can have facial hair, Thou shalt not have tattoos unless you have prison tats from your life before Christ, Thou shalt not take the hem out of your Levi jeans or alter your clothing in any way so that you look worldly, Thou shalt not wear pants (britches) if you are a woman, Thou shalt not wear shorts, but a woman can wear Baptist shorts also known as culottes, Thou shalt not expose any flesh if you are a woman, especially your thighs, breasts, or back, Thou shalt only wear dresses with hemlines below the knees if you are a woman, Thou shalt not have any physical contact with the opposite sex if you are unmarried, Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear if you are a woman, Thou shalt not pierce any body part except your ear, and then only if you are a woman, Thou shalt not watch TV, but if you are a carnal Christian and must watch TV thou shalt only watch, Thou shalt not go to the movie theater, but using streaming services is okay, Thou shalt always have tracts in your shirt pocket or purse, ready to evangelize at a moments notice, Thou shalt drive a car with church advertising stickers, IFB cliches, or Bible verses attached to the bumper, Thou shalt park down the street when visiting the local strip club or whore house lest the pastor know you are there and stay away, Thou shalt not listen to secular music, especially rock music, which is from the pit of hell, Thou shalt not listen to contemporary Christian music (CCM), Thou shalt not drink fermented alcohol after all, Jesus drank Welchs grape juice, Thou shalt not cuss, but saying darn, shoot, crap, freaking, and fudge are okay, Thou shalt not date non-Independent Baptist girls or boys, Thou shalt not have any non-Independent Baptist friends, Thou shalt home school your children or send them to a Christian school, Thou shalt only read pastor-approved Christian books, Thou shalt only believe what the pastor says you are to believe, Thou shalt say you have victory over sin, even if you are lying, Thou shalt adhere to the perception is reality rule, Thou shalt send your kids to the same Christian college the pastor went to, Thou shalt leave the church if you commit adultery, get a divorce, or get pregnant outside of marriage, Thou shalt believe everything the pastor says even when you are certain he is lying, speaking evangelistically, or embellishing his illustrations, Thou shalt wear a bra if you are a woman, and it can only be a white, underwire bra, Thou shalt not mix bathe (Baptist for swimming with the opposite sex), Thou shalt not go to amusement parks unless the youth group is going, Thou shalt not show emotion unless praising Jesus from 10:00 am to noon on Sunday or giving a testimony during Sunday evening service, Thou shalt say AMEN during at the appropriate time during the pastors sermon, especially when he shouts, pounds the pulpit, or performs gymnastics, Thou shalt not be angry even though the pastor is allowed to be angry, but thats because his anger is righteous anger, Thou shalt be for what the pastor is for and against what the pastor is against, because if you dont, a bear might come out of the woods and eat you, Thou shalt ignore any science that contradicts the Bible, Thou shalt never try to fix your own problems because the pastor is the official fixer of all problems, Thou shalt takes notes on the sermon even if the rabbit wanders five miles off the trail or the sermon is incoherent, Thou shalt always tell the pastor what a wonderful sermon he preached, even when you have no idea what he was talking about, Thou shalt always tell Sister Bertha what a wonderful job she did with her off-key rendition of, Thou shalt not use canned (taped) music for music specials.